Wow, awesome job Javs thanks for doing that!! :)
Thanks for the great suggestion. Right now, our development team is focused on tackling the picture quality feedback from our testers to make sure you get a top-notch experience from day one. The FFTB feature is noted and planned for a software update after delivery.
This would definitely be a great feature to have. The way the DI is able to produce these huge explosions of brightness with the scene calls for it is amazing for the viewing experience. Adding to that going to full black would lift the experience even more.
FFTB is a feature I would miss from my Epson LS12000 - in high speed dynamic mode, the laser turns off completely in a full black scene (movie fades to black for a few seconds between scenes). The fade is smooth - the laser very quicky dims as much as possible (<1 second) and then completeley switches off (room plunges into complete darkness). When the next scene begins (movie frame is no-longer 100% black), the laser switches back on instantly at the appropriate brightness. This effect can be very dramatic as well as giving the impression of higher contrast, but some users may not like it so there should be an option to enable/disable it. A good comparison would be the LS12000 in high speed dynamic contrast and dynamic picture mode (or later Epson models in an equivelent mode with FFTB) compared split-screen with the Xgimi Titan Noir. The 1917 staircase scene would be a good example where it plunges to complete black for a few seconds, but most movies have scene cuts that fade to black where this effect can be seen and tested.
Thanks for your support, Boggis. I will test it in 1917.
The movie Presence (2024) is by far the best one to test full fade to black. The entire movie has fade to black moments that can be used for testing. Also the first 3 minutes of Mad Max Fury Road can be used for testing as it flashes to full black several times.
Thank you all for the discussions and feedback. We will carefully consider and evaluate this feature. To assist in our evaluation, we kindly request your help in providing video sources suitable for testing the FFTB feature, as well as comparison videos that clearly show the actual on-screen effects with the FFTB feature turned on versus off.
The opening of Bolt (2008) is an exceptional sequence for testing a projector's laser dimming capabilities, specifically the ability to achieve a true "black floor" (laser completely off). The sequence utilizes rapid cuts to full-frame black at the following time stamps: [00:00:15]: The scene opens with a "5 Years Later" title card that quickly fades into a total black frame. [00:00:17]: A sharp cut to black occurs immediately after the title card, lasting until the first shot of Penny. [00:00:19]: After Penny says "Hello?", there is a brief, deliberate pause of complete blackness before her father responds.
Thanks for your support, Smith. I will download The opening of Bolt (2008) to test.
All the trailers on Youtube !
Most films these days have about four to five logos at the start with black fadeouts and fade ins, its so easy to teat these.
FFTB is a must, currently testing a Titan Noir Max and love the image which sometimes I need to pinch myself wondering is it my JVC NZ700 or my JVC NZ800 which I also own. If the TNM had FFTB it would bring it even closer to a current model JVC. I just dont like the TNM fade to grey, we need a FFTB added please.
Oh no!!! Sounds like Xgimi doesn't know what we mean by full fade to black! He talks about how they have it when switching HDMI sources. That's NOT at all what we are asking for. We mean the laser shuts off completely during playback like the JVC's and Epson lasers.
@shrek zou, the request was for a full laser shutoff DURING ACTUAL CONTENT, not simply during HDMI switching.
@shrek the automatic laser shut off works so well that we would like it to be implemented in actual content. So when viewing a film and the picture is 100% black could the lasers turn off completely and then turn back on when the screen isn't 100% black?
The Titan Noir series implements automatic laser shut‑off when switching HDMI sources, ensuring a theater‑grade immersive experience for HDMI movie playback. If you have more specific needs, please feel free to let us know in detail.
Thanks Shrek, I think the user community is asking about it during movie/show playback. In instances when the screen has no content displaying. Testers can identify some movie scenes where other projectors configured this way completely shut lasers.
Adding a FFTB feature would significantly improve the Noir’s competitiveness against JVC projectors I currently own a Nebula X1 and previously used a lamp-based JVC. The X1 cannot compete in black floor, but even in the lowest APL scenes, there is always some bright elements, so in these scenes, the X1 can hold its own. But on full back scenes, there is NO comparison (moreover as some titles have elevated blacks), and it's really disappointing and breaks the immersion. Implementing FFTB on the Noir would make a substantial difference in these scenes, allowing it to better compete with JVC's.
I'm curious is the black floor really that much better than the X1? the X1 is already pretty good in that regard especially on latest beta firmware.
I think this is completely possible. Right now with eye protection on the laser will shut completely off if you walk in front of the projector and turn back on once you are clear. If I watch the screen while this happens it is VERY fast and smooth so I think if they can do the same type of laser shut off for a full black screen it will have amazing results. I can see that the ability to shut off and turn on the laser instantaneously is there. This can work!!!!
This is Perfect to have on my JVC NZ 8…so add it. Thanks!
Those few seconds of pitch black elevate the excitement and joy of video projection in our spaces—whether dedicated theaters, living rooms, or elsewhere—to transcendent levels of impact and delight ! Truly MAGICAL and unique moments ! And since XGIMI named its model TITAN NOIR MAX, it simply must have this absolute black feature ;) It’s in its DNA :)
Please add it!
Please add this feature, would make it a must buy projector
yes, please add FFTB. I absolutely love it with all of the 7.900hours I spent with my Sony VW760 since 01/2018 :o)
This is a necessary feature in order to compete with the best projectors, please include it.
I also think this feature is a great addition if you're able to implement it. Especially for a DLP projector, this will be one of the main features in which I will sell the vMax projector for this!
Hello, please add the FFTB, it's a must have feature! I have the Sim2 Mico 50 .95 LED Projector from ~15 years ago and it's one of the most outstanding features all these years later! It's micro-second quick, down to the frame, 'lights out'. it would be a big selling features vs. the RGB laser competition if you can add this excellent feature, thank you for considering this option.
Absolutely great feature!
Full Fade to Black is a must for me. If the XGIMI doesn't have it I will have to stick with my current projector (JVC NZ500).
Don't forget the Nexigo Trivision -as an example of a more recent RGB Laser 0.47" DLP projector- which added FFTB as a selectable option, in a firmware update a few months ago !
I agree with this one, although some of the subtitle settings are with the player, not device, if DBLE can be configured to not be sensitive to subtitles there's less of a chance of undesired behavior.
This is a great idea. Bight white subtitles on dark see es often defeats laser dimming algorithms.
Feature Request: IRE-Based Full Fade-to-Black (Laser Control) Use Case: A properly implemented fade-to-black system would significantly improve perceived contrast and overall cinematic presentation, especially in dark scenes and transitions. Core Request: Implement a fade-to-black system that is directly tied to image IRE levels, rather than relying on a fixed timing or speed-based control. Proposed Behaviour: The system should operate based on three clear regions: 1. Above Fade Threshold (Normal Operation) * Image displays normally * No laser dimming behaviour applied 2. Fade Region (Threshold → 0% IRE) * User defines a low IRE threshold where fade begins * As image brightness drops below this threshold, the laser output smoothly reduces following a natural curve * The fade progression is driven by the image itself, not by a fixed timer 3. 0% IRE (True Black / Cut to Black) * When the image reaches true 0% IRE (no active pixels), the laser shuts off instantly * This preserves the correct impact of hard “cut to black” transitions User Control: * Fade Start Threshold (IRE Level) * Adjustable by the user * Suggested range: very low values such as 0.1% to 1% IRE * Fine adjustment steps are important (around 0.1% IRE or lower if possible) Important Behaviour Requirement: The system must not behave as a simple binary trigger: * Not acceptable: * “1 pixel on screen = no fade” * “0 pixels = full black” Instead, there must be a smooth transition range between the threshold and 0% IRE, where the laser gradually dims. This ensures: * No abrupt pumping * No visible instability when small highlights appear * More natural and film-accurate fades Rationale: Many current implementations are distracting because: * Fade triggers too late or too early * Small bright pixels prevent fading completely * Visible “pumping” occurs when brightness fluctuates near black By linking laser output directly to image IRE: * Fades follow the actual luminance of the content * No artificial timing behaviour is required * Both fade-to-black and cut-to-black are handled correctly Expected Result: * Instant, clean cut to black at 0% IRE * Smooth, natural fade to black when image gradually darkens below the user IRE setting. * Minimal or no visible pumping with correct threshold tuning This approach should produce a more stable and cinematic result than fixed-speed or binary fade systems. Additional Consideration: Fade-In Behaviour: One edge case to consider is after a true cut to black (0% IRE). If a very small highlight appears immediately after, an instant jump from full black to visible output may look abrupt. It may be preferable for the projector to apply a short, natural fade-in after exiting 0% IRE, even for small signals. This could potentially still be tied to IRE levels, or may require a minimal fade-in control. This is likely something that needs testing to determine what looks most natural. Other beta testers should provide thoughts on this use case, and whether a controlled fade-in is desirable for testing? Im just imagining a nice cut to black, and then perhaps on screen a really tiny element shows up as a cut not a fade (Stranger things the upside down comes to mind im sure it does it there). We may then see pumping, perhaps a really reasonably fast FADE IN here is good? At least to test. So perhaps we need a FADE IN Speed option ? For coming out of black?